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Investigating Jason Marquis

MarquisAfter the ‘good’ news that the Mets have signed every backup catcher on the market, the Mets attention turns to trading Luis Castillo and finding that mid-rotation starter we’ve been talking about. After we investigated Joel Piniero and found that he had decent value as a ground ball inducing machine. But what about some other guys on the market that have similar profiles?

In particular, what about Jason Marquis? He had a career year, with his best FIP (fielding-independent pitching number), best win total, and five-year best in ERA. How did he do it?

Well, he did it with groundballs and a cutter, just like Piniero. His career high in ground ball percentage (55.6%) was organically better than his career rate (49.8%) so it doesn’t seem like he just had a lucky year. His ‘luck’ stats also don’t suggest that he was lucky – he had a reasonable BABIP (.291) and strand rate (70.5%). None of these stats will necessarily regress next year, so why do I still feel skeptical about the Rockies’ free agent starter?

Perhaps it’s irrational. Marquis made the groundball gains by using the same pitch as Piniero. Piniero, as we showed last week, cut down on his fastball (46.2% career, 36.8% in 2009) and favored the cutter (14.2% career, 27.6% in 2009) in order to get some worm-burners. Marquis went through the same process, though not as radically. His fastball use went down (58% career, 49.5% in 2009) and his cutter rate increased (7.8% career, 13.3% in 2009).

Marquis profiles in a very similar way beyond the cutter/fastball split. He also sports a below-average K/9 (5.25 career, 4.79 in 2009), a reasonable BB/9 (3.50 career, 3.33 in 2009), and induces the groundball well. In fact, his groundball rate is elite – it was third best among qualified starters (sandwiched between Derek Lowe and Chris Carpenter). So why do I like Piniero more than Marquis?

Perhaps its the fact that Piniero’s walk rate (2.56 career, 1.14 in 2009) is a second ‘tool’ of his, where Marquis doesn’t boast a second aspect in his statistical profile that shows up elite. If you barely walk anyone and keep the ball on the ground, you can succeed. If you walk about as many as the average pitcher (2009 average: 3.46, Marquis: 3.33) and keep the ball on the ground, you’ll just be okay. Piniero’s walk rate has also limited his bad years – he hasn’t ever had a negative valuation on FanGraphs – while Marquis has had worse years, more recently (he sported a negative $2.5 million number in 2006). It looks like Marquis is more volatile while Piniero’s basement is more valuable. I’ll take the steadier guy for the middle of my rotation.

Once again, though, we are left wondering if chasing the groundball is what the Mets should be doing. They own a big park that suppresses fly balls. Why not go after someone like Chris Young from the Padres, who owns a much better strikeout rate and just happens to own a fly ball rate (52.9%) that makes him less appealing? If not Young, why not apply that same approach and find other under-valued fly-ball pitchers that would enjoy calling Citi Field home? That way, you don’t have to feed at the same trough as everyone else. Try that out, Omar, you might like it.


Investigating Joel Piniero

joel-pineiroThe Mets are looking for pitching again this year, and as usual the collection of free agent pitchers includes a lot of players coming off career years and looking for a payday. Randy Wolf, Joel Piniero and Jason Marquis are exhibit A, B and C in this discussion. We’ll look into the others later, but now it’s time to discuss Piniero and the Mets.

Piniero had a season that either screams fluke or is a great example of a changed approach, depending which statistics you want to weigh most. Any time an older pitcher (31 years old) succeeds as much as Pineiro did in 2009 (3.49 ERA /1.14 WHIP, 15-12), especially when his career stats are so mediocre (4.39 ERA, 1.34 WHIP), the urge is to call it a career year and move along. Certainly, Piniero’s poor strikeout rate (4.42 K/9, league average is 6.99) makes it easy to cry foul. Also, his walk rate, though miniscule (1.14 BB/9, 3.46 league average) is also way below his career rate (2.56) and should rise some next year.

If the walks are going come back, and the strikeouts weren’t ever there, why would he be a good free agent acquisition this offseason? It’s all about the groundballs. Piniero led all qualified starters with a 60.5% groundball percentage (Derek Lowe was second with 56.3%). Keeping the ball on the ground keeps home runs down and in general suppresses the slugging percentage of your opponents. Not walking anyone and keeping the ball on the ground is a recipe for success no matter what ballpark you call home.

But is the spike in groundball percentage sustainable? After all, Piniero’s lifetime groundball rate is only 48.6%. If he goes back to that merely above-average level, Piniero will quickly become an average pitcher. It’s tough to see because of pitch-classification issues with the Pitch f/x descriptions, but Piniero actually changed his pitching approach radically last year. He threw roughly half of his fastballs as two-seamers in 2008, and then last year threw about 80% of his fastballs as two-seamers. So now he’s throwing a new pitch more often and his groundball rate is spiking. It sounds to me like his groundball rate is sustainable. Maybe not at 60%, but it looks like his pitch can keep up with Lowe’s similar ground-ball inducing fastball in the mid-to-high 50% level.

If we look at Derek Lowe as a comp, we’ll see that Piniero still doesn’t strike out as many (Lowe had a career low with 5.13 last year) and so his basement has to be considered lower than Lowe’s. Considering Lowe may have just had a season that defined his basement (4.67 ERA, 1.52 ERA), we have to consider his recent performance as a descriptor of Piniero’s downside. On the other hand, Lowe is five years older than Piniero, so  that downside has to be softened a little.

Bill James has Piniero going for a 4.17 ERA, with a 1.35 WHIP, which seems to actually be a reasonable description of his downside. We have to remember, before we get too pessimistic about him, that none of his ‘luck’ stats were really off last year (he had a .293 BABIP and a 66.9% strand rate, league averages are .303 and 71.9%). It seems that Piniero is a good bet for a high 3′s, low 4′s ERA, a decent WHIP, and some steadiness at the back of a rotation. That has value, especially with the Mets’ back end looking so risky (Oliver Perez, Jonathon Niese, Nelson Figueroa). I’d rather give the money to Piniero than to Jason Marquis, who we will discuss this week.

One remaining question is if a ground-ball-inducing starter is really the best use of the Mets’ resources. With their park, they could find a pitcher that gives up fly balls and get someone who could put up Piniero’s surface numbers with very different peripheral numbers – and of course, for much less money. We’ll try to identify a couple of those over the offseason.


Jason Marquis in New York?

Jason Marquis, a Staten Island boy, tells Jeff Francouer who tells Mike Puma at the NY Post that Marquis would love to pitch in New York. This passes for news for the NY Post, I guess.

More interesting is that it puts Jason Marquis on the list of potential mid-market free agents that we’ve been perusing here at Godblessbuckner.com.

Brad Penny
Jon Garland
Doug Davis
Carl Pavano

Where does Marquis fit here? Obviously everything depends on the price, but let’s look at each pitcher’s one- and three-year (average) value to see who’s been best most recently and who’s been best most consistently.

Brad Penny rode a resurgence in velocity this year to a $9 million value. His strikeout rate is sub-par (right under six per nine), but he only walks around three batters a game and has a decent career ground ball rate (45%) that he could easily recover next year. Despite Penny being terrible two years ago, his average value is also close to $9 million.

Jon Garland has actually been the same pitcher for the past three years, at least if you look at his underlying stats. He’s had a strikeout rate just north of four and a decent walk rate around two and a half. He’s also been very hittable, giving up more than a hit per inning. Garland’s value has been in this consistency – where his three-year average value is around $11 million, his full-year low was only $8.4 million (compared to Penny’s $0.5 million last year). He’s a very safe play, but he may come expensive because of it.

Doug Davis is coming off his worst year in seven years, but still earned the Diamondbacks $7.4 million with his statistics this year. Before that, he’s rattled off six straight years of $10 million-plus. He has the best strikeout rate of the group (almost seven per nine), but also the worst walk rate of the bunch (4.5 this year, over four for his career). I doubt Minaya will want to pony up double digit millions for a pitcher with a whip over one and a half, even if his three-year average value hovers around nine million and he’s been consistent.

You may be surprised, even after our post saying that Carl Pavano might be a good sign, that Pavano is coming off the second-best year of the bunch, worth over $15 million because of his ability to keep walks down (1.44 BB/9) and the ball on the ground (45%). The risk is obvious, though, so Pavano becomes the best sign only if he comes the cheapest, or signs the shortest contract. His three-year average value, not surprisingly, is the lowest of the group at $5.7 million (yes, he only accrued $1.4 million in 45 total innings over the two prior years).

Which brings us to Jason Marquis, the high-water man for 2009 value at $17.4 million. His three-year average is not shabby either (almost $11 million). Marquis has found his success with his career high in ground ball percentage (55%) and a four-year low in walk rate (3.08 BB/9). Marquis has had similar walk rates and ground ball percentages before, and since joining the Cubs has been steadily worth over seven million a year.

But look back to years with the Cardinals and some acid reflux may just rise up. In those full three years, he was worth a mere $6 million dollars. If the Mets sign him for three years and $30 million dollars (that should sound familiar), they may just get the Cardinals version of Marquis and feel some serious buyers remorse.

Because each of these guys is flawed, it may be best to just take the cheapest one. Then again, depending on their relationship to Bernie Madoff, the Wilpons and the Mets may not have a choice.


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